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Atenveldt Submissions (excerpted from the S.C.A. College of Arms' Letters of Acceptance and Return)
ATENVELDT REGISTRATIONS by the College of Arms, April 2004: Amalric d'Acre. Name and device. Per chevron embattled vert and Or, two plates and a sheaf of arrows sable. Some members of the College asked whether this name was presumptuous, citing Amalric (Amaury) I and Amalric (Amaury) II, kings of Jerusalem. The city of Acre was never the capital of the Kingdom of Jerusalem, nor is there any evidence that either of these men was known as Amalric d'Acre. Therefore, there is no presumption. Please instruct the submitter to draw the line of division higher; it is barely registerable as drawn. Belin bat Kedar. Name and device. Per fess enarched sable and azure, two cinquefoils argent pierced azure and an owl rising guardant wings elevated and addorsed argent. Submitted as Belen bat Kedar, the given name was documented via the legal name rule. However, this rule only allows a name to be used as the same type of name as found in the person's legal name. Belen is the submitter's middle name; both given names and bynames/surnames are used as middle names. While the College documented similar names used as given names, it has only found this particular spelling used as a byname or place name. Therefore, we are changing the name to Belin bat Kedar; the given name is dated to 1348 in Aryanhwy merch Catmael's article "Jewish Given Names Found in Les Noms Des Israélites en France." The submitter requested authenticity for Jewish language/culture. However, we are unable to fully comply with this request. The patronymic Kedar, documented as a Biblical name, is not one used in Jewish culture in period. However, Biblical names are generally registerable for cultures who drew from the Bible for their name pool. Catriona of Kyntail. Name change from holding name Catriona of Twin Moons. This name mixes English and Gaelic orthographies, which is one step from period practice. Dufan eyðimarkingr. Name. Submitted as Dufen Eyðimörkingr, we have changed the name to Dufan eyðimarkingr. The spelling of the given name was changed to match the submitted documentation; there is no evidence that a and e are interchangeable when Old Norse is written in a Latin style alphabet. The spelling of the byname was changed to correct the grammar. As Argent Snail notes: "Eyðimörk means indeed desert wilderness and the ending is per se correct. However, mörk is a feminine word where the vowel changes depending on the ending and according to both Zoega and modern Icelandic grammar, the ending -ingr would affect the previous vowel. Thus the correct form of the byname 'eyðimarkingr'. " Finally, we have changed the capitalization of the byname to match documented forms for Old Norse names. Iona Putnika. Name and device. Or, an octopus and a gore vert. Submitted as Iona Putnikova, she desired a name meaning "Iona the Wanderer." As submitted, the name means "Iona daughter of a man named Putnik." We have changed the byname to Putnika, a form suggested by Nebuly that has the desired meaning. Jacques Beauchamp. Device. Per pale sable and argent, a pall between three ermine spots counterchanged. Lassar Ruad. Name and device. Argent, a horse passant gules within an orle vert. Submitted as Lassair Ruad, the submitter requested authenticity for Irish Celtic [sic] and accepted only minor changes. As submitted, the name mixes an Early Modern Irish given name spelling with a Middle Irish Gaelic byname spelling. To fulfill the submitter's request for authenticity, we have removed a letter from the given name, giving Lassar Ruad, a fully Middle Irish Gaelic form. Syele von der Rosen. Name (see RETURNS for device). Nice name! ATENVELDT RETURNS by the College of Arms, January 2004: Avilina Andreu. Badge. Per bend sable and azure, two bones crossed in saltire surmounted by a skull argent and a badger rampant maintaining a mullet Or. This submission violates two different aspects of RfS VIII.1.a, Tincture and Charge Limit. Each violation is sufficient by itself for return: "In no case should the number of different tinctures or types of charges be so great as to eliminate the visual impact of any single design element." This submission has four charge types and four tinctures, arranged such that two of each are entirely on one side of a per bend division. There is no central focus at all, and the visual impact of every element is greatly reduced; that of the mullet is completely destroyed. While this design has a complexity count of only eight, in combination with its complete lack of unity it is simply too complex. "[T]hree or more types of charges should not be used in the same group." (This is commonly known as the 'slot-machine' clause.) The primary charge group here has three types of charge: badger, bones, and skull. This is in accordance with the following precedent: [Returning Vert, two arrows inverted in saltire Or surmounted by a tower argent] Conflict with a badge of Border Vale Keep (registered in April 1985), Vert, two swords in saltire Or surmounted by a stone tower, the top enflamed, proper. Both pieces of armory are effectively a single group (a sheaf) of three charges. [June 2003, Ret-Middle, Nikolai of Trakai] As the charges in each armory cited in the precedent are considered to be in the same group, so must the skull and bones here. Therefore this clause of RfS VIII.1.a is indeed applicable. Eleanor Cleavely. Device. Per fess azure and sable, a harp "Or" strung argent and a lion dormant "Or". The color of the harp and lion on the forms we received is decidedly orange, not Or. Orange is not a heraldic tincture, and its use in this context is grounds for return. Sundragon, Barony of. Badge. Per fess azure and gules, four wolves' teeth issuant from sinister all within a bordure Or. Nobody present at the Wreath meeting was able to identify this as a combination of wolves' teeth and a bordure. Most thought it was some odd central charge (perhaps a modernish flame sideways?); others noted remarkable similarity to a modern corporate logo. Most of the commentary on this submission concerned identifiability problems as well. Using a combination of one peripheral charge issuant from another peripheral charge, especially of the same tincture, is something that will require extreme care to maintain identifiability. Syele von der Rosen. Device. Per pale sable and "gules", a pale of four lozenges Or, each charged with a rose proper, between in chief an increscent and a decrescent Or. The color of the sinister half of the field on the forms we received is decidedly orange, not gules. Orange is not a heraldic tincture, and its use in this context is grounds for return. The bottom lozenge of the group is not whole, being cut off by the edge of the shield; in a design where each lozenge of an ordinary of lozenges is charged, the lozenges should all be complete. Tatiana Laski Krakowska. Device. Per saltire argent and azure, six mullets argent. Conflict with Domenica Farnese: Gyronny vert and azure, a mullet of six points within eight mullets of six points in mascle argent; with Robin Arwood: Per fess gules and vert, five mullets in saltire argent; and with Seitse: Vert, mulletty pierced argent. In each case there is a CD for changing the field, but none for number of charges, as six is not different from five or more. Nor is there a CD for arrangement against either Domenica or Robin, as their arrangements are not reproducible on this field, this submission's mullets being forced into the azure quadrants. Comparing against Seitse's mullets the following precedent applies: [mullets vs mullets pierced] Current research seems to indicate that mullets and mullets pierced (or spur rowels) were used interchangeably in period. As a consequence, no difference is currently granted between them. [May 1996, Ret-Atlantia, Agnes Daunce] So there is no CD for not piercing the mullets in this case. Temur Khana. Name and device. Gules, a ram's head erased within nine lozenges in annulo argent. This name conflicts with Temur Khan, grandson of Kublai Khan. Temur Khan was Emperor of China and has his own entry in Britannica Online. Although the names do not have the same meaning, they are nearly identical in sound and appearance. Just as we would protect the names of kings of European kingdoms, it is appropriate to protect the names of Chinese emperors. No adequate blazon could be found for the position of the lozenges, violating RfS VII.7.b: "Elements must be reconstructible in a recognizable form from a competent blazon.... elements that cannot be described in such a way that the depiction of the armory will remain consistent may not be used." The submitted blazon would result in all the lozenges being palewise, which does not match the emblazon. Vladimir Dragos syn. Name. Conflict with the registered name Vladimir Dragonovich. Both Dragonovich and Dragos syn are patronymics meaning "son of Dragos". RfS V.1.a.ii.a says, "Two bynames of relationship are significantly different if the natures of the relationships or the objects of the relationships are significantly different." THE FOLLOWING ITEM HAS BEEN PENDED UNTIL THE JANUARY 2005 LAUREL MEETING: Dougal Stewart. Name. This is being pended for discussion on whether "Dugald Stewart" is important enough to protect. In commentary, Metron Ariston wrote: [T]here may be a problem with the famous late eighteenth century and early nineteenth century mathematician and philosopher Dugald Stewart. This scholar contributed greatly to the popularity and influence of Adam Smith and the acceptance of political economy as an academic discipline. His works exerted great influence through much of the nineteenth century. While he has a lengthy article in the 1911 Encyclopedia Britannica (48.1911encyclopedia.org/ S/ST/STEWART_DUGALD.htm), most other modern encyclopedic works also give him a great deal of space and consider him a key figure in the Scottish Enlightenment. For example the Columbia Online Encyclopedia says of him "Dugald Stewart 1753-1828, Scottish philosopher. He studied at the Univ. of Edinburgh, later becoming professor of mathematics (1775-85) and of moral philosophy (1785-1810). After retiring he devoted himself to writing. A student of Thomas Reid and strongly influenced by him, Stewart is credited with aiding in the forming of the Scottish school of philosophy. His work was largely an exposition of Reid's philosophy, accepting the existence of the external world and applying the principle of common sense to the problems of philosophy. An eloquent lecturer and a brilliant writer, he is noted for these abilities rather than for any original philosophical development. Among his works are Outlines of Moral Philosophy (1793), Elements of the Philosophy of the Human Mind (3 vol., 1792-1827), and Philosophical Essays (1810)." (cited at //reference.allrefer.com/encyclopedia/ S/StewrtD.html). There were no responses to these comments. We are interested in the College's opinion on this matter. |
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